
Any hardware experts out there?
My desktop computer is probably 4-5 years old...not exactly sure when I bought it and tough to dig out those records. It's running XP Home Basic 2002, SP3 if that helps date it.
Recently, the video has been breaking up occasionally like it was losing synch. It started with Audiosurf when I launched and selected to use full screen from the game selection box for full screen, but if I use the click box at the upper-right of the screen (the usual Windows minimize-maximize-quit buttons) it goes to full screen with no problem. Since then it has happened a couple of times in other programs - don't recall which.
Is this a sign of a failing graphics card? This is the nVidia GeForce 5200 FX that came with the system.
Thanks!
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Frequently graphics problems can be a result of an overheating card. This could be a result of a failing fan or environmental conditions rather than a failing card.
I was going to say it might be AudioSurf being flakey, since I've seen some video problems with it. But, if you saw it in other programs, then probably not.
Anyway, other than heat as a possible source, I don't know.
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On the chance that it is a failing card, I did some browsing of reviews and also what's available at New Egg and Fry's. Looks like I can do pretty good in the $100 range. Any suggesions other than save it for an XBox?
I was looking at nVidia GeForce 8000 and 9000 series. At Fry's, PNY Verto GeForce 9600 GT, 512 MB for $90.
Any thought?
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Biggest caution is make sure you are looking at the right kind of video card. You motherboard can only take certain kinds of cards. Based on the age of your system, I'm guessing you'll most likely need to look at AGP cards, although I could be wrong.
Best way to tell is to either check your original system specs (which I'm sure you don't have), or check your system properties page (right click on My Computer and select Properties) and look at the General tab for the computer name (like "Dell Optiplex GX240") and then go online and see what the specs are.
Once you find that out, then you get the joy of figuring out which video card is better than the others, which, frankly, is a nightmare. Best guess is to just figure out how much you want to spend and then buy something at that price from a reasonable name brand.
Or do a bit of research on review websites, although it may be tricky finding good info if you are stuck with an AGP card.
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I beg your pardon...you're sure I don't have the specs? Why, right here on the desktop is a PDF of my manual! I have one AGP and three PCI slots. I just have to check and see what's open and if an open slot has enough space next to it for one of those big gaphics cards to clear.
I just pulled the cover and it would appear that one PCI is open. Judging by the back-side connectors, the AGP is my graphics card, and the two PCIs are a modem and Soundblaster. I don't use the modem since I don't have a long enough phone cord to get to the closest working phone jack but would use it for the occasional fax if it did reach.
So, looks like I'd be OK with either AGP or PCI, but not PCIe which came out in '04 and seems to be what most on the market are - except for a few lower performance ones that are obviously intended for legacy-type systems...like mine!
A little Wikipedia research tells me that AGP is better than PCI and that my current 5200 card is a dog! so, it looks like I'm going be to limited to an AGP card at best.
Fry's has an EVGA- GF 6200 256MB for $50. That's barely one step better than what I have New Egg has a PNY GeForce 7600GS 512MB 128-bit card for about $85. I'll have to research that.
Then, as always, I'll have to think about it if I want to put new stuff into an old computer!
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Adviga's computer also has AGP as did my old one. If your card had the problem last year when I upgraded I would have given you the card from my old computer but I already sold it to a friend at work.
Anyway, as far as AGP goes, I think you are going to be rather limited in what you can find. I'm not sure they are even making that style now that PCIe is the new thing. However, I have seen them on ebay when I have looked for a possible upgrade for Adviga's computer.
Personally, I would and have bought BFG cards (http://www.bfgtech.com/) because they have a lifetime warranty. While you may not have another problem with video cards before you replace your computer, there is always the chance and it's possible that even when you do replace this one you'll keep it around for server or linux purposes anyway. Never hurts to have a nice warranty to fall back on. I've taken advantage of it a couple of time since I have had their cards. Not to say that their cards are less dependable than others because I have also had several other graphics cards fail in my history and among them were PNY which only warrants their cards for 2 years I think.
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As far as the model you need to make sure you have the power supply requirements. Some of the newer cards especially require a minimum 400 watt power supply or more. I think I have seen some that require 500 watts. Then some of them are so big they require two slots in the back of your computer to give them enough space for proper cooling. Not to say that they use both ports just that they require the room which renders the second port unavailable for other cards.
A quick look at the BFG web site I found this card for $99. 7300 GT 512MB AGP It's not the top of the line but I think it would probably be an upgrade for you and it only requires a 350 watt power supply if I read correctly (double check me I've looked at a couple).
I also see a used 7600 GS OC AGP on ebay current bid is $56.
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Ok, Dad, I'm very impressed that you have your specs so readily at hand.
Sounds like Alan is pretty knowledgable, so I'd listen to him.
Frankly, you hit it right when you commented about saving it for the XBox. Hardware upgrades was on my list for reasons why I bought my XBox. Not that I'm trying to convince you to buy an XBox or anything...
I would echo the warning about paying attention to power supply. That bit me once. You definitely don't want to have to buy a new power supply too in order to run your new card. You will of course want to consider how long you are likely to keep using this computer before replacing it too. How long before you start seeing other hardware failures, even if this one isn't a video card failure problem?
Definitely a tough call. You'll actually find that the AGP cards are expensive for the performance you get. That's because of the low demand. EBay might be a good route, or see if you know anyone who is upgrading their computer and has an AGP card to get rid of.
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Thinking along the lines of Kheldar's comment about how long before you want to replace this computer I thought I'd share this too. Adviga has been experiencing some minor speed/reliability issues with her computer so I started window shopping this week. We will probably not be upgrading her computer for another six months or so (unless it dies) but it's fun to see what's out there.
As a result, I was looking at the XPS 420 desktops on www.delloutlet.com and thinking that one of those would be a nice economical upgrade for her. Thought I'd share because it would probably be a nice upgrade for you too if you think you may be in the market. I would recommend no less than 4Gigs of memory because they are installed with Vista, but you can get a really nice upgrade good for gaming and media applications for as low as $600 (list price).
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Well, this all started with the possibility of a failing video card. So far it hasn't, so, it may be a moot point.
I did go back out to New Egg and compare a BFG GeForce 7300 GT at $75 and a PNY GeForce 7600 GS at $85. I also checked the article in Wikipedia on the 7000 series and compared specs. The PNY 7600 GS has clearly better specs than the the BFG 7300 GT. The BFG takes a 350 W power supply, and the PNY takes 300 W. If I was buying tonight, I'd probably go with the PNY for better specs and lower PS requirement, but it's out of stock. I'm not buying tonight, so it's not an issue.
Thanks for mentioning the power supply requirement. The OEM PS in my computer was 250 W, but it failed and I replaced it, but don't recall if the replacement was higher or not. I'll have to look it up. That may be the show stopper.
The other issue is that I don't know what APG version I have. The BFG specifies APG 2.0, but the PNY doesn't specify.
Thanks for suggesting e-bay, but I am a little gun shy of e-bay. I was pretty disappointed in the one item I bought in the past (riding mower bagger). The price didn't save me a lot over buying locally, and I felt I was cheated in that I didn't get what I thought was advertised - Craftsman was advertised, but there is no Craftsman name, logo, etc. on it, just a third party manufacturer on one part. The seller wouldn't respond to e-mails. Thisw was a seller with a near perfect rating. I've only had to repair and rebuild a little of the item a few times! :( So, I guess I'll pass on e-bay for now. I might come to that eventually if I need to replace the card.
I'm generally satisfied with the computer for most purposes and don't relish the chores of upgrading. I have replaced the HD for a bigger one, upgraded the sound card, and replaced the failed PS so far. So, I guess I'm willing to put a little into it until it gets so obsolete as to not satisfy my needs - in the past, that has happened when a computer was no longer current enough to run software I wanted to use. So, while I'd like a new computer, I'm not very motivated to spend that kind of money - especially when I'm looking for a flat panel TV sometime in the next couple of months.
Guess I don't have to resolve it tonight.
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I think I answered my own uncertainty about that AGP 2.0 issue. My spec says AGP 1X, 4X, 8X. The 8X didn't happen until v. 3.0. So, at least that question is answered. If my replacement power supply is asdequate, I'll be in business, if I need to be, and I might even do a pre-emptive thingy and buy it anyhow as an upgrade. At $75-85, I think I can afford that.
Murphy strikes again! My current power supply is 250W. I sure thought it was higher than the one it replaced. I think I'm back to looking around for an AGP card with a lower requirement. I don't think I want to spend the money for the card and a power supply, though if it becomes necessary, I guess I will.
But, in the process, I also learned that there are differences between cards in voltages and the voltage is indicated by the "keys" in the connector, so when/if the time comes, I need to check that as well.
If nothing else, I've learned a bit in this process, thanks to Wikipedia.
Bummer! I was beginning to look forward to better graphics!
Quick look says I could go straight across to a new 5200 for about $30, with 250W PS requirement, but 256 MB instead of 128 MB (I think) like my current one.
One more issue I learned about while reading reviews of various cards at New Egg is that an older BIOS probably won't support 512 MB of video RAM anyhow, so I'd have to update my BIOS for any chance. I should do that anyhow, but haven't got the nerve to try it.
Sure becomes involved, doesn't it? But at least it seems clear that I can replace my existing card straight across, if necessary.
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BIOS upgrading is pretty trivial these days. It's much easier than it used to be. These days it's essentially just run an installer and reboot.
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So they say!
Then again, there's Murphy, always waiting in the wings for a chance to make an appearance!
I believe I have the BIOS update file that I downloaded at some time in the fairly recent past. I intended to have you or Hameed help me get it installed the last time you were here. Maybe it will be one of oour Easter/Passover projects! If I can find it, that is.
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You should check, but I thought I installed a new BIOS for you when I was there last year. It might have been your laptop though. Then I could also have been my dad's computer too.
Like Kheldar said though it's very easy especially with Dell. You just find the driver (input your computer number or let them determine), download and run the executable. It does the rest and asks for you to reboot.
BTW, there's always the option of waiting until the graphics card actually goes before trying to replace it. Could be it lasts another year or more. Take a look in your case and take your air bottle with you may be able to blow the dust off and it will right itself.
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Yes, the plan is to wait. When it was looking like I might be able to get significantly better performance fairly cheap. I was tempted to just upgrade. But when the power supply issue came up, now it's just bide my time.
And, yes, it does need a cleaning now and then. and I'm sure the time is now.
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Since Hameed opened the subject of a new computer, while that's not in the near term plan, I have some thoughts to throw out for comment. Lately, and especially as I've been looking into graphics cards and finding that my nVidia GF FX 5200 is a dog - I didn't know that! - I've thought about the possibility of assembling my own computer. I guess the attraction is that I can pull together components that I want and know what they are. I'd probably look into reusing whatever I can from my current computer, if that's practical and they aren't incompatible. For example, I'm satisfied with my current DVD drive and with my old and reliable CD burner. I'm also pretty satisfied with my main HD - 300 GB SATA, though I might add a second. If new stuff fits my current case, I see no reason to buy a new case. I'm not sure if it's possible to pass on the Windows OS from one computer to another since the full set of installation CDs doesn't come with it anymore, but if I can do that, I'd be satisfied staying with XP Home, and dual boot Kubuntu.
I'd definitely go with a new motherboard, processor, and RAM, and a new graphics card and sound card, though my current Soundblaster Live is adequate, so might stay with it. I'd also need a new network card unless it's on the new mobo and adequate. I'd go with a new and much larger power supply - probably 500 W or thereabouts, and try to add some extra cooling. I know there's more to it than all of that, but I also know there are web sites that can walk me through it.
I just don't need or want a lot of the extra garbage.
Any thoughts y'all? Just in the thinking about it stage...it's a long way off, so by the time I get there, current components will probably be too obsolete.
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I doubt I'll ever put my own computer together, even though it saves a good chunk of money. I hate messing with hardware, so it's just not worth it to me. There's just too much that needs to be messed with. Though I guess I'm ok with installing hard drives and memory and video cards. On the other hand, usually when I've been ready to upgrade, those things haven't been worth taking along from the old computer to the new one...